Who are the most solid lenders on Mintos? Our Mintos lender ratings

Last updated - 6 October 2018

A Mintos lender blew up last year

In 2017, Mintos lender Eurocent failed, and defaulted on its Mintos ‘buyback guarantee’ commitments. This is likely to lead to signifcant losses for Mintos investors as a high proportion of Eurocent customers defaulted on their loans.

This has inevitably led investors to pay more attention to the quality of the other lenders on the Mintos platform. Last year, we listed 9 lenders that we would not touch right now. We have now broadened our analysis to cover all of the Mintos lenders. We highlight the lenders with the strongest features. 

It has been difficult up to now to compare each lender on the Mintos platform

Unfortunately, the information provided by Mintos about each lender is not consistent. Some lenders have not provided any information since March 2016. Others provide very regular updates. Information is provided in different currencies, languages and accounting policies. The quality of information provided varies enormously. Some information is audited, in many cases it isn’t. There should be minimum standards of reporting and disclosure. At the moment, Mintos allows the lenders to choose what they disclose. This results in lenders failing to disclose important information that may not be convenient for them, such as a history of losses, or rising levels of bad debts.

Key financial information of each Mintos lender

The table below captures the key financial information for each lender. This can be useful to quickly lookup the profile of each lender, and compare the strengths and weaknesses of each one.

All Figures in EUR million (annualised where appropriate):

Mintos Lender Reporting period Loans Equity P&L - latest P&L - prior year Audited
Mogo Sep 2017 86.6 13.4 9.5 6.0 No
ID Finance Dec 2017 63.4 20.2 9.8 5.2 No
Credit Star Mar 2018 67 17 2.2 1.4 No
Capital Service Dec 2017 14.5 3.7 -1.4 1.3 Yes
Credissimo Dec 2017 12 10.4 3.6 1.4 Yes
iute credit Dec 2017 20.3 4.7 2.9 1 Yes
ExpressCredit Jun 2018 9.4 8.3 1.0 -2.1 No
Vizia / Banknote Dec 2017 13.9 3.7 3.0 1.0 Yes
Simbo.dk Dec 2017 4.3 -1 -1 Yes
Placet Group Mar 2018 25.4 12.5 2.1 No
Agrocredit Dec 2017 5 1.6 0.1 0 No
Acema Mar 2017 38.6 14.7 2.0 2.4 Yes
BB Finance / EGE Dec 2017 13.5 6.5 0.8 Yes
Creamfinance Dec 2017 40.5 7.5 -0.4 1.1 Yes
IFN Extra Finance Dec 2017 8.6 4 2.0 2.0 No
Mozipo Lithuania Dec 2017 6.6 4.3 0.2 0.5 Yes
Aasa Jun 2017 107 59 1.3 -5.2 Yes
Aforti Dec 2017 8.5 1.2 0.5 0.2 No
Dinero May 2018 1.1 1.4 No
Dozarplati Dec 2017 3.3 1.7 0.3 0.0 No
Capitalia Dec 2017 3.2 0.5 0.0 0.0 Yes
Credilikeme Dec 2017 1.3 0.4 -0.6 -0.7 No
Lendo Dec 2017 17.7 0.8 -2.2 No
EcoFinance Dec 2017 2.2 1.6 0.4 0.2 No
ITF Group Dec 2017 2 1.3 0.2 0.2 Yes
EBV Finance Dec 2017 17.5 4.9 1.5 0.9 No
Hipocredit Dec 2016 0.6 0.1 0.0 -0.3 No
Debifo Dec 2017 3.1 0.5 0.2 0.0 No
Kviku Dec 2017 2.4 1.1 0.1 0.0 Yes
EuroOne Dec 2017 0.8 -2.6 -1.9 -0.8 Yes
Tigo.mk Aug 2018 0.6 0.7 -0.9 No
Leaselink (Pragma) Dec 2017 64.8 17.7 0.9 0.9 Yes
Get bucks / Mybucks Dec 2017 73.6 7.5 -4.2 -13.7 Yes
Varks.am Dec 2017 6.5 -0.1 -0.9 -0.1 Yes
Credius Jun 2018 10.4 7.6 0.1 1.9 Yes
Rapicredit Dec 2017 1.4 0.8 -0.4 0 Yes
Dindin Oct 2017 0.5 0.9 No
Pimpay Jun 2017 2.6 -0.5 0.1 No
Sebo Dec 2017 2.2 0.6 No
Kredit24 Dec 2017 1.5 0.1 0.7 -0.8 Yes
Invipay Dec 2017 8.4 0.5 -0.5 -0.1 Yes
Watu Credit Dec 2017 2.1 0.2 0 0 Yes
Bino Dec 2017 5.7 -1.7 -2 -0.1 No
Kuki.pl Dec 2017 2 -1.2 No
1pm plc Nov 2017 158.4 50 6.1 3.7 Yes
Metrokredit May 2018 0.7 0.3 No
Alfakredyt Dec 2017 4.1 0.7 0.2 No
FIREOF Jun 2018 25 No
Lime Loans Dec 2017 7.8 4.9 3.3 0.3 No
Cash Credit Dec 2017 3.1 1.4 0.1 0.2 Yes

Our Mintos lender ratings

Our Mintos lender ratings are based on 5 characteristics – profitability, capitalisation, size, track record and the quality of their reporting. We have allocated marks out of 20 for each metric, giving a total score out of 100. Mintos have recently introduced their own ratings – from A (best) to D (default), which we have included as a comparison.

Top rated Mintos lenders

Mogo and ID Finance earned the equal highest scores. Mogo is a popular lender on Mintos as the loans are both secured by vehicles and most receive buyback guarantees. Mogo has been reporting good results up to Q3 17. Mintos have informed us that they will publish updated results shortly, but performance remains good.  ID Finance is another lender that is well capitalised and has produced strong results over the last 2 years. 

We think investors can have some confidence in any lender achieving a score of 60 or better. Lenders meeting this benchmark include Credissimo, 1pm plc, Credit Star, Capital Service, iute Credit, Vizia/Banknote, Cream and IFN Extra Finance. 

Our views on the new lenders

The Most recent two lenders to join Mintos are Leaselink, and Tigo. Leaselink is a subsidiary of a larger Polish lending group called Pragma. Their lending product looks innovative, however there is relatively little track record. We have scored the business as 62 on the basis of the financial strength of its parent company. Tigo is a startup lender operating in Macedonia. This is a very small lender in a very small market, and we think it represents a high risk investment, with a score of 26. Mintos appears to agree with us as they have given Tigo a rating of C+. There are better opportunities elsewhere.  

Lenders that have joined during 2018 and scored well include tech focused lender Credissimo (85), British lender 1pm plc (77), small but profitable lender Lime Loans (73) and Placet Group (71) and Credius (70).

Many of the other lenders that have joined are high risk, as many have poor financial disclosures, weak balance sheet structures, a history of losses, and are exposed to currency risks.

We are surprised for example, that a company like Bino, that only started lending in 2017 would be invited onto the Mintos platform, particularly when no information about the capitalisation of the company is available. Several companies have not provided any information on their profitability, which implies to us that they are likely to be loss making currently. It is almost impossible to determine how likely these businesses will be able to honour their buyback guarantees in the future.

In May 2018, Mintos introduced Mexican lender Credilikeme, which scored one of our lowest ever ratings at 18/100. The presentation provided by Mintos is from 2016, however we can see that in the last 2 years the company has made heavy losses, leading to a non-performing loan ratio of 85% in Dec 2017. We continue to be very wary of companies like this that are very small, are experimenting with high risk lending products, and have a fairly poor track record. Frankly, we don’t think they should be given access to the Mintos platform, and some are at high risk of failing in the future.

Recent rating changes

In July 2018, several lenders published new financial reports, which has resulted in several rating changes. Lenders with rating upgrades included iute Credit (up 7 to 69) and Debifo (up 9 to 34). Lenders with notable rating downgrades included Capital Service (down 10 to 62), Mozipo Lithuania (down 9 to 47), Cash Credit (down 7 to 35) and BIG Microfinance (down 5 to 54).

Now you’ve reviewed our latest Mintos lender ratings – what’s the fastest way to choose the best loans on the  Mintos Primary Market? Check out our new Mintos Loan Scanner page, which allows you to compare very quickly the current interest rates, loan availability, and ratings for each lender on the platform. We will keep it updated, so check it next time you are thinking of buying more loans, or adjusting your auto-invest settings.

79 thoughts on “Who are the most solid lenders on Mintos? Our Mintos lender ratings

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Thanks Matteo. Yes we plan to keep this updated (it has been a popular post).

      • tbee Reply

        Thx Oscar
        this is really helpful especially when it is kept up to date
        e.g. mogo jetze offers car loans in other countries and these do not seem to return as reliably back

  1. Alex Reply

    Hi Oscar,
    I’ll attempt to explain why I came to your site.
    I have a company in one of the European countries and the way taxes work here is that when you withdraw profits (via either salary or dividends) the taxes you pay are very high. However, if you don’t withdraw, there is no tax.
    I currently have a situation where the company has more funds than can be invested back in the business. Due to the nature of the business there are limited ways in which to expand the primary operation. As a result, I have 100k EUR+ in available funds on the company bank account. I haven’t taken this profit for reasons above (taxes you pay once you draw funds from the company).
    Because of all this I started to look for alternative ways to invest excess funds and came across lending platforms. Mintos is especially interesting due to guaranteed returns. I have been reading a lot about this topic lately and if I understand correctly, if I stick to loans with buyback guarantee, the only risk is the lender not being able to pay outstanding obligations similar to Eurocent? Furthermore, if I stick to lenders you rated high, is there still some risk in this and if so what is it?
    Also, I am looking to invest approx. 50k EUR. Would you say that’s feasible?

    Furthermore, how would you allocate the funds between lenders (my criteria is EUR only and buyback guarantee only, target 11% ROI)? For example: 20% Mogo, 20% ID Finance, 20% Aasa, 20% Banknote, 20% Cream. Or some other proportion? How would you calculate this proportion based on the overall score of each lender?
    Thanks for reading and for such a useful post.
    Alex.

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Alex. For loans that have buyback guarantees, the risk comes from a situation like Eurocent as you correctly identified. That is, the borrower firstly defaults, then the lender is unable to fulfil the buyback guarantee. These risks are correlated – if a lender has many loans that are defaulting, that also makes them less able to fulfil the guarantee, as they will be suffering high losses, and the company could fail. That’s why it is important to monitor the level of profit and equity for each lender. There is still a risk that a highly rated lender could fail, it is just a reduced risk. Allocating your investment to multiple lenders is a good idea, to diversify your risk. You could use our scores to allocate your investments, but make sure that end up with a portfolio that has good diversification in terms of geography, loan types etc.

      • Alex Reply

        Reply:
        Hi Oscar,
        Thank you very much for your reply.
        So would it be a good idea to invest 100k EUR in Mintos and split it in 8 parts:
        Mogo, ID Finance, Credit Star, Capital Service, Aasa, iute credit, Banknote, Cream.
        Eight equal parts would be 12500 EUR each but I would likely allocate more to larger companies regardless of the score. For example, I am familiar with Mogo, ID Finance and Cream Finance, but never heard of iute credit.
        You suggested that it’s important to have good diversification in terms of geography, loan types etc. Could you elaborate on what techniques you would use to achieve that goal?
        Thank you,
        Alex.

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Jonathan. Following discussions with Mintos, they have confirmed that there is a guarantee from Mybucks of the obligations of Getbucks, and we have therefore updated our information and ratings to take this into account. Mintos have also agreed to provide this information about the existence of the guarantee on their site.

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  3. Mark Reply

    Hi Oscar,
    I am a Mintos investor and I found your post very useful.
    I did some research and I realized that I am not putting enough emphasis on the quality of the lender. I also did some analysis on my loans and I found that ~55% of all my loans are with Mogo. This happened because of the high guaranteed rate (13%) they were offering on car loans. After reading your post, I think I should change the allocation across the following top 7 lenders:
    Mogo, ID Finance, Credit Star, Capital Service, Banknote, Iute credit, Get bucks
    (I purposely left out 2 top lenders Aasa and Cream Finance as they don’t have any loans that meet my criteria which is buyback & 11%+)

    Right now I can change this 55% allocation to Mogo quickly by adding new funds to Mintos which I intend to do. Question: How would you allocate ~60k EUR across these 7 lenders?
    Could you tell me what amount would you allocate to each or what formula would you use to calculate the amount that should be allocated to each lender?
    Thanks,
    Mark.

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Mark, thanks for the question. There’s not really a right or wrong answer. However we would note that Mogo is probably one of the best Mintos lenders to be ‘overweight’ in given that they offer good returns and are currently a very profitable company. It is not important to allocate all your funds equally, and you could allocate some additional funds to lenders like Mogo or others who have better returns or loan availability. The important thing is to allocate loans to several different lenders, and if you allocate to the 7 you have identified you will definitely be on the right path. There are some other options outside of Mintos too – we published a new post about some other sites that offer buybacks today.

      • Mark Reply

        Hi Oscar,
        Thank you very much for your reply and happy new year. Yes, I figured that I am on the right path distributing among 7 “good” lenders however if I wanted to calculate the best allocation to each using “total score” how would I do that? Do you use your total score to decide how much to allocate to each lender?

        • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

          Hi Mark. There isn’t a correct way as such, but if you agree with our ratings you could allocate a higher share to the higher rated lenders such as Mogo (i.e overweight them) and less to the lower rated lenders. Also take into account what interest rates are available on the primary / secondary market for loans from each lender and whether they offer the other loan features that you are looking for (such as maturity length etc).

  4. Rui Reply

    Hi Oscar,
    When i started investing in MINTOS i didn’t carefully select the lenders that were part of my autoinvest portfolio because i was coming from TWINO where there isn’t a lender concept(I got some more love for TWINO than you do).
    After reading your post i realized that my lending distribution was completely unbalanced with around 60% of my loans being linked with Lendo which is a low scorer in your analysis. I already tweaked my autoinvest portfolio and increased my Mogo loans percentage using the long term loans promotion.
    I’m still worried though about the Lendo loans though, they are all 12%+ and under 12 months, should i try to sell them in the secondary market or you think it should be ok to hold to them until their end?

    Thank you in advance for you advice,
    Rui

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Rui. 60% is quite a large allocation to any single lender. Agree that it may be prudent to diversify a little more, and sell some.

  5. Mark Reply

    By the way, what is going to happen to Eurocent investors? Are they going to get their money back, at least the principal? I am assuming the loans are still valid even though the company cannot honor the buyback guarantee?

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Mark, it’s still unclear what will happen. A high percentage of the Eurocent loans have defaulted, with investors facing potential losses. Mintos have recently disclosed that Eurocent is in negotiations with an investor, which could improve the situation. We are currently trying to get more details from Mintos as the recent disclosure did not provide much detail. There’s a strong risk that investors will end up taking a loss in our view.

  6. Ve. Elanjelian Reply

    Dear Oscar – thanks for putting this together. I am a new investor in Mintos, and quite like how the site works.

    Actually, I came here while researching on Aasa, which is rated well above. I buy their loans and like the way their loans are structured.

    That said, I find the information available on the company a little patchy. Aasa claims to have operations in six countries, namely, Estonia, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Chile and Indonesia. However, I managed to find only three sites, one in Poland — https://www.aasapolska.pl/ — and two in Finland — https://www.aasa.fi/ and https://yleislaina.fi/ .

    It is also unclear who founded the company. In all likelihood it is Kimmo Rytkönen, CEO of Aasa Global, although it is unclear if he was part of the company in 2010, when it was founded in Finland.

  7. Seppo Reply

    Would like to have confirmation: is “Cream” and “Cream Finance” same loan originator?

  8. Matteo Reply

    In a few months quite a lot of new lenders were added on Mintos. Is there any chance that you guys could give us an heads up about the newcomers? It would be really cool.

    Thanks and keep up with your amazing work.

    Matteo

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Matteo. This Mintos lender post has been getting updated regularly (including today). Can you please try clearing your cookies and then refreshing the page? We use caches on the site to make it run faster but sometimes it can lead to problems in seeing updates to certain pages. Thanks for the feedback.

      • Matteo Reply

        Hi Oscar,
        Thank you for the rapid answer. I did not notice that the table was changing and growing in these months.

        I updated my portfolios 😉

        Thank you again for the good work you are doing and sorry for the spam

  9. Markus Reply

    Hey,
    Good information you have over here, bookmarking your site.
    I have one concern, tho. I noticed that 95% of my Cream Finance loans are late 16-60 days. Also to note, all loans are from 2018, tho I’ve invested in it for a year.. I checked their financials and everything seems good over there. It has your recommendation and rating of 63. Can you comment on this? Thanks and keep up the good work!

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Markus. Thank you very much. You can view the statistics for each lender by going to https://www.mintos.com/en/statistics/, and click on the + sign for personal loans. You can see that about 45% of the Creamfinance loans are 16-60 days late. That is a relatively high percentage and we’ll see if we can find out why it is higher than average. However it seems difficult to understand why your portfolio is 95% in this category, that is worth seeking answers from Mintos…

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Sami, we’ve just added ExpressCredit, with an initial score of 32. They have not provided any information about their P&L, which usually indicates a loss making business. It has also lost marks for being very small, relatively new, and with poor disclosures. We think there are better options. Another lender to join Mintos today was Credissimo, which we have rated highly, and similar interest rates can be found. Hope this helps.

  10. Sami Reply

    Thanks for reply. Yes, it helped. I’m using Mogo, Mozipo, Banknote/Money Metro, Credit Star, Lendo and Aasa. And now I’m adding Credissimo also. Only small amounts is invested via Lendo.

    I think that net return of 12% p.a. would be quite good. I don’t know if it is clever to achieve net returns of 13% or more in Mintos 🤔 Most of higher yields are from Lendo, Sebo etc. weaker companies.

    What do you think? And if I may ask, which interest rates have you set in your Auto Invest portfolios and which lenders are you using?

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  12. Miguel Reply

    Thank you very much for this awesome rank! Could you please add the following ones? Cheers, mate

    aventus
    mano unija
    moneymetro
    nord līzings
    west kredit

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Miguel. Aventus now issues loans via their PeerBerry platform (see our review). Money Metro is the same company as Banknote, which we list. We have removed the others as they are no longer active on Mintos.

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Laura. You will see from our tables that we have not rated them highly. They have only very limited history and have provided very little disclosures.

  13. George Reply

    Hi Oscar, Getbucks has made a webinar and presented latest financials . You think this will affect the total score.

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi George. We are constantly reviewing the new data and refreshing the scores. Following the December results, the score has been increased from 38 to 46. They broke even (before tax) which was a big improvement, and their big share price slide seems to have stopped. However they seem quite thin on the capital side (they have even mentioned being capital constrained), and they are attempting to launch in markets which we consider high risk, which is why their score is quite low still. If you like the story, it may be better to own their shares than the loans – there is more upside and similar risk in our view.

  14. Jeremy Reply

    Hi Oscar,

    You gave Creditstar a high score but I have a few concerns about this loan originator. Looking at the statistics page on Mintos (https://www.mintos.com/en/statistics/), I can see they have a lot of late loans.

    For personal loans: 60.1% are current, the rest are late with 16.7% by 31-60 days. Looking for each country, we can see Spain is the worst performer with 23.7% of loans 31-60 days late!

    The numbers are worse for short term loans with Poland 50.8% current and 21.5% 31-60 days late. Spain 53.6% current and 27.5% 31-60 days late, ouch!

    Should I be concerned? How can these numbers be sustainable in the long term?

    I know there is the buyback guarantee but I am more interested to know if a loan originator is solid enough to resist the next economic downturn, therefore honouring the guarantee. This is one of the main risk of investing on Mintos after all… it has been fantastic so far but nobody knows what is going to happen during the next crash which will come sooner or later.

    Thanks,
    Jeremy

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Jeremy. We think it is very hard to use the Mintos statistics pages in this way to determine what the underlying rates of non-performing loan creation are. We have asked them to provide higher quality, cohort information that would allow investors to see what percentage of loans are being repurchased by lenders due to buyback guarantee. We understand that they are planning to make moves in this direction. As to Creditstar, they last provided data in June 2017. That presentation showed quite a good, consistent performance, with 24% net interest margins, vs 7% losses from defaults. Hopefully they will soon provide a new report and we can re-assess, but for now, there are several more lenders that are higher on our concerns list.

  15. Gaudente Reply

    about Kenya gov bond yielding 13%…yeah , it’s true , at latest auction https://www.centralbank.go.ke//uploads/historical_treasury_bond_results/712863756_RE-OPEN%20FXD1-2008-15%20&%20FXD1-2018-20%20DATED%2030-04-2018.pdf there was a bond yielding that , but it its tenure was 20 years , is taxed 10% (therefore the net yield is 12%) and is denominated in local currency .
    So any comparison with the 12% offered by Watu in EURO is a bit of unfair.
    However I would enjoy if Watu offered loans in its domestic currency , of course at a good premium to government securities.

  16. Rimvydas Reply

    Hi,
    Could you explain why does kredit24 has such high rating? Over 50 percent loans are late from them. There are no new loans available at all for them.
    Why do Bino, Kuki and Varks have such low ratings? Statistics page for short term loans is looking rather good for these loan originators…

  17. Sami Reply

    What do you think about Lendos latest financial report? It seems to be profitable now? Would it increase total score of Lendo?

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Sami. Lendo have released their Q1 18 results but we are waiting for their audited results for 2017 before updating our ratings. We’ve always been concerned about Lendo’s FX exposure. We think this risk is well demonstrated in Q1 18. They had an FX gain of €1m in that quarter. This seems a lot to us for a company that only had €800k of equity at year end. The currency movement went their way that quarter, but we don’t understand why so much FX risk would be held when the capital base is so small. If the currency moved in the other direction it seems that the FX losses could have almost wiped out all their equity.

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Gaudente. You could well be right. We just feel uncomfortable with the level of FX risk the company appears to be taking relative to a thin capital base. The shareholders have all the upside from taking this risk and Mintos investors seem to have much of the downside exposure. Our view is that Lendo should hedge much more of its FX exposure, or at a minimum make much better disclosures around this.

  18. Christian Reply

    Hi, thanks for this overview, it is really urgently needed and a great resource! The work you guys did is really appreciated! I wanted to ask the following:
    1. Will new Mintos loan originators be added to the list over time (like Placet Group) here?
    2. If new financial reports and data become available, will you also update the table? If yes, maybe indicate the changes so readers are aware of it quickly? I am checking this page regularly and it would be really great if you continue the good work…

    Thanks,
    Christian

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Christian. Glad it is useful for you. We try to add new loan originators to our tables within a week of them coming onto the Mintos platform. We also regularly update the tables when new financial information becomes available for a lender. At the top of the page we make a note of when the tables were last updated.

  19. Christian Reply

    Perfect, thanks, that was quick and good to know the new loan originator seems to be trustworthy ;-).
    Keep up the good work!

  20. Hieschen Reply

    Hi!

    Do you make an analysis where you consider impairment/write off regarding their respective loanbooks and cross check this with the statistics as provided on the Mintos website? And if yes are there any where the percentage of impairments is far off the figures as disclosed on Mintos where the buyback would activate?

  21. Christian Reply

    The https://www.evoinvestor.com/mintos/ link is outdated and contains wrong information, this has been discussed in detail in p2p forums etc. You should not believe its content, although it does contain some true facts. P2p is not risk-free, of course.

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Sami. Yes we have heard of them, and they have been in touch. We are approached all the time by many up and coming P2P sites that are wanting to be listed and covered on Explore P2P. However we only feel comfortable doing this if they are able to answer convincingly all of our questions, and pass our review process. This site has not come close to passing this process yet.

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Thanks Armand. We’ve updated the figures and ratings. The presentation they provided Mintos investors when they joined had said that they had £0.35m of equity in December 2017, but they actually had negative equity….

  22. Gaudente Reply

    this moron above did not even understand that we are not looking for a loan but instead have money to loan

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Gaudente. Thanks for noting this. Must admit we are struggling to make sense of the new Varks figures, our Armenian language skills are not up to scratch!

  23. Nikolay Reply

    Hey, now that Mintos has launched their own originator rating, it would be great to see a comparison of their approach and yours. In particular as there is some divergence between both ratings. Cheers!

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Nikolay. We have just added the ratings provided by Mintos to our tables. We are really pleased that Mintos have provided these ratings, but it will take some extra time to do a ‘deep dive’ and fully review and assess them. Our point all along has been that the quality of lenders on the Mintos platform varies a lot, and selecting loans from the best/safest ones is important. This move from Mintos to provide a rating score is welcome and really changes the game. Up to now, every new lender to join the platform has been accompanied by a press release from Mintos saying how great each new lender is. Now, Mintos are acknowledging for the first time that lender quality varies, and quality matters….

  24. Saraph Reply

    Mintos rates Capital Service as C+, which is among the worst, but you rate them as 62 points, which seems to be very good. Any idea why there’s such a difference between these two analyses?

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Many of the scores recently provided by Mintos were consistent with our views, but some lenders were rated higher, and others like Capital Service were rated lower. One reason could be methodology. Our scores are primarily financial focused, whereas Mintos are including other, more subjective assessments. Capital Service made a loss in 2017 after several years of profits, for reasons they outline in their financial report. These results resulted in us cutting their score by approximately 20 points, which seems to place them typically around a B Mintos rating level, however this loss could have been penalised more heavily by the Mintos ratings matrix. We plan to dig further into reasons for the main differences between scores, as well as the overall approach taken by Mintos, and will publish some views in the future.

  25. Marcus Reply

    Hi,
    Can I ask a silly question?
    So of course it is clear that Mintos portfolio should have a good mix of lenders to reduce overall risk. For example: Mogo, Banknote, Cream Finance, AASA, IFN, etc.
    (BTW, how do I come up with the best allocation? I mean % allocated to each? My criteria is EUR only and buyback only)

    However, the silly question in my mind is: So when you go buyback-only loans, the biggest risk obviously is lender defaulting on the buyback guarantee. But I am having trouble fully understanding what actually happens when a lender defaults on the buyback guarantee. You don’t lose the entire portion of the portfolio allocated to that lender, right? The loans are still good, it’s only the buyback that’s not good? So the loans are paying (with certain-probably high-level of default) and you get all of those principal&interest payments back, right? Am I thinking straight on this one? Please help me understand it.
    Thank you!

  26. Gaudente Reply

    Theoretically , you are right , but in reality if a loan originator defaults on its buyback guarantee it means it is bankrupt , and as it is up to him to confirm the payment of a loan on Mintos platform , it will probably just keep the cash for itself.
    Hopefully someone who experienced the Eurocent default will come to write what happened.

    • Marcus Reply

      Yes, I am also very curious what their ROI will be at the end on the Eurocent portion of the portfolio.
      It says online that a Temporary Judicial Supervisor is appointed. Not sure if they can do what you’re saying (keep the cash) under these circumstances.

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      A Mintos investor who held Eurocent loans typically now finds that 40% of the balances are 60+ in arrears, with little to no prospect of getting much further recovery. The investor then has a claim against Eurocent for not fulfilling their buyback guarantee. This is an unsecured claim against the company. It’s unclear what, if any further recovery investors are likely to receive. It depends on many factors, such as whether any other creditors have secured claims (which reduces the potential amounts that unsecured creditors can claim), what the company is able to recover on all its assets in wind-down (and underwriting seems to have been very poor), and what the costs of liquidating all the assets, and winding down the company are. In our view, Mintos investors will likely end up with losses in the 30-40% range, although it will take a long time to confirm this.

      • Marcus Reply

        Hi Oscar,
        I guess what I am trying to figure out is whether P2P investing is still profitable when things like Eurocent default occur.
        For example, suppose I have the following portfolio (funds spread across these 8 lenders with the following allocation):

        Vizia/Banknote 19%
        Getbucks/Mybucks 17%
        Mogo 16%
        Cream Finance 16%
        Credit Star 9%
        iute Credit 8%
        Capital Service 8%
        Eurocent 7%
        (for a total of 100%)

        To simplify, suppose the total portfolio is 100K EUR with 7000 EUR in Eurocent. 30% of 7000 is 2100. So given your estimate above I would have lost only just 2100 EUR on the Eurocent insolvency. Am I looking at this correctly?

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Thanks Mike, we’ve updated the table (that’s a quick upgrade for them!)

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  28. kari Reply

    Hi
    What do you think about Express credit? They published results for 1H 2018 and now they are profitable

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Kari. You are right, they have just provided an update, and info on their profitability for the first time. Their score has increased from 32 to 53 as a result. The one thing that makes us nervous is that they don’t seem to have hedged their FX exposure fully. They are also African based which makes them riskier in our view than a similar lender operating within the EU. However their results for 1H 2018 were pretty strong – let’s see if they can maintain this for the full year.

  29. Ian Reply

    Hi Oscar,
    Thank you very much for all the hard work that you and your team put into the site. I have found it very helpful in selecting my portfolio on Mintos. I now have in excess of EUR100,000 spread over 14 loan originators, ranking from 83 down to 50. My question is this, what would be your advise if the BREXIT results in a hard exit. Would it be more difficult to get our money out of Europe and would there be any tax liabilities in the country of investment?

    • Oscar Harrington Post authorReply

      Hi Ian thanks for the feedback. To answer your question – it is highly unlikely that you will not be able to repatriate your Mintos funds back to the UK under any scenario. There could potentially be introduction of withholding taxes on earnings, although this could be offset against your UK tax bill, and in any event we don’t expect this to take place. A hard brexit would however likely in our view lead to a depreciation of GBP against EUR. This would actually result in the value of your investment to go up in GBP terms. However predicting FX movements is very difficult and there can be no certainties around this. We definitely do see benefits in holding investments that are denominated in currencies outside the ‘home’ currency of an investor.

  30. Ian Reply

    Hi Oscar thanks very much for your reply, it’s set my mind at ease, considering the amount of investment I have on the Mintos platform.
    Keep up the good work.

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